I Wanna See the Courthouse Movie! Updated Schedules, Links to Casefiles

[Caverlock]

Prediction: dozens more posters win judgments against him across the nation, and the resulting infighting over his and Niki's meager remaining possessions are what finally kills off the O&A community.

 

[The Arm]

Prediction: dozens more posters win judgments against him across the nation, and the resulting infighting over his and Niki's meager remaining possessions are what finally kills off the O&A community.

I call dibs on Mewler.

 

[Clint Ruin]

Idk dude. With what we did with worldcon. Partnering with JDA. The sfwa may be willing to go chips all in on this. They fucking hate us. Im
Interested to see how this plays out.

It's a not-for-profit. They get away with a lot, but the people donating to it neither have limitless coffers, nor will they continue to donate when the see the bulk of their charity is going into a phyrric battle at best that is serving individuals over the whole. Some people are going to come around asking where their money is going to, and SFWA is not going to have a satisfactory answer if they keep the dog and pony show going. I've worked with not-for-profits, and I've seen. The pipers eventually come calling. The funding will dry up. They will stop receiving donations. This is not an organization that can sustain this. Spending someone else's money in grand fashion doesn't go unnoticed.

 

[RobertMewler]

I call dibs on Mewler.

Too late, jerky. He's MINE!

 

[Clint Ruin]

Too late, jerky. He's MINE!

We need to discuss who gets that soulless rubbery monster he calls a lizard.

 

[guest]

It's a not-for-profit. They get away with a lot, but the people donating to it neither have limitless coffers, nor will they continue to donate when the see the bulk of their charity is going into a phyrric battle at best that is serving individuals over the whole. I've worked with not-for-profits, and I've seen. The pipers eventually come calling. The funding will dry up. They will stop receiving donations. This is not an organization that can sustain this. Spending someone else's money in grand fashion doesn't go unnoticed.

According to their own policies: [URL]https://www.sfwa.org/about/benevolent-funds/legal-fund/[/URL]

Loans to active members in good standing will be limited to a maximum aggregate amount of 20% of the fund, which may only be used to pay for legal fees and costs

and

The decision to use the legal fund to support legal action in the name of SFWA or for a class action or representative action for the benefit of SFWA’s members is solely at the discretion of the Board of Directors by a majority vote taken after consulting SFWA’s attorney and any other individual or committee which the Board of Directs feels is prudent to consult. The amount to be expended in any single action will be limited to 30% percent of the fund in given year

One could argue Pat's matter was a hybrid of these two, considering the money was likely not loaned to him while at the same time the suit was not in the SFWA's name. Even in the most extreme circumstances it's not supposed to exceed 30% of *just* the legal fund. Considering the entire SFWA only has ~a million dollars in the bank total across all departments, it's possible that Pat's lawsuit greatly exceeded what he was supposed to be allotted. This might be why they are begging people for legal fund donations. Mary Three Names probably wanted the fact that the SFWA was funding the suit to be kept hush hush which is why it was done under Pat's name (and also not to cause a Streisand Effect with the pedo allegations which was the basis of this). They didn't know that we knew that they funded it until like part 3 of Apostlegate, which took place right before the last hearing. Now that Mary is gone and everyone knows that the SFWA was behind the suit, I HIGHLY doubt they will spend another penny on this.

 

[guest]

According to their own policies: [URL]https://www.sfwa.org/about/benevolent-funds/legal-fund/[/URL]


and


One could argue Pat's matter was a hybrid of these two, considering the money was likely not loaned to him while at the same time the suit was not in the SFWA's name. Even in the most extreme circumstances it's not supposed to exceed 30% of *just* the legal fund. Considering the entire SFWA only has ~a million dollars in the bank total across all departments, it's possible that Pat's lawsuit greatly exceeded what he was supposed to be allotted. This might be why they are begging people for legal fund donations. Mary Three Names probably wanted the fact that the SFWA was funding the suit to be kept hush hush which is why it was done under Pat's name (and also not to cause a Streisand Effect with the pedo allegations which was the basis of this). They didn't know that we knew that they funded it until like part 3 of Apostlegate, which took place right before the last hearing. Now that Mary is gone and everyone knows that the SFWA was behind the suit, I HIGHLY doubt they will spend another penny on this.

I still don’t get the whole premise that they are funding this without strings attached. This has to be a loan.

There’s no way these people would have just given Pat the money, is there?

 

[guest]

I still don’t get the whole premise that they are funding this without strings attached. This has to be a loan.

There’s no way these people would have just given Pat the money, is there?

This was right after Goodreads/pedo allegations, so Pat might have convinced them that this was for the greater good of the organization. In the early lawyer emails, Bresto was demanding info pertaining to any defamatory statements about anyone in the SFWA and not just Pat. It's not totally out of the question to think that SFWA would do this. Mary is fucking retard sitting on a million dollars of money donated by other retards. After she resigned it wasn't her problem anymore. Pat probably promised to STFU about it which is why he didn't name them by name even though it's obvious that the "professional organization" he mentioned was them.

 

[Clint Ruin]

I still don’t get the whole premise that they are funding this without strings attached. This has to be a loan.

There’s no way these people would have just given Pat the money, is there?

If you look at it as "we're giving this money to you so you can fight the trolls". But what if Pat really isn't driving this thing. What if the SFWA doesn't care about Pat and just wants us to go away and they're just using Pat and his situation as their in, without drawing undue attention. They might foot the bill in that case, if it's actually the SWFA coming at us through Pat instead of Pat coming at us with borrowed money from them. Pat gets all the credit for the "win" and none of the financial burden. He'd sign up for that in a fat minute.

 

[guest]

the SFWA doesn't care about Pat and just wants us to go away and they're just using Pat and his situation as their in, without drawing undue attention. They might foot the bill in that case, if it's actually the SWFA coming at us through Pat instead of Pat coming at us with borrowed money from them. Pat gets all the credit for the "win" and none of the financial burden. He'd sign up for that in a fat minute.

This is precisely what I believe happened. This ridiculously bad $100,000 call was a giant contributing factor in Mary Three Names stepping down I think.

 

[NortheastPhilly]

Theres is no fucking way that “insufficient funds” will ever be a factor for Pat. Its not rocket science, his philosophy is to just run up all kinds of debt that he has no intention of ever paying. All the exotic vacations, the box seats at various baseball stadiums, etc., I mean come on. If he can travel 6 times a year, he can sure as shit pay legal fees for as long as he wants

 

[garbageman2244]

If you look at it as "we're giving this money to you so you can fight the trolls". But what if Pat really isn't driving this thing. What if the SFWA doesn't care about Pat and just wants us to go away and they're just using Pat and his situation as their in, without drawing undue attention. They might foot the bill in that case, if it's actually the SWFA coming at us through Pat instead of Pat coming at us with borrowed money from them. Pat gets all the credit for the "win" and none of the financial burden. He'd sign up for that in a fat minute.

This would also explain his autistic insistence that *he* doesn't owe quasi any money.

 

[guest]

Is there anyone in the SFWA with ridiculously deep pockets that wouldn't mind dumping another hundred grand into this? Like a Stephen King or JK Rowling or someone with a couple hundred mil net worth.

 

[guest]

Is there anyone in the SFWA with ridiculously deep pockets that wouldn't mind dumping another hundred grand into this? Like a Stephen King or JK Rowling or someone with a couple hundred mil net worth.

Orson Scott Card is funding the case against us because he doesn't like that we use naughty words.

 

['THE NIGGER MAN']

Theres is no fucking way that “insufficient funds” will ever be a factor for Pat. Its not rocket science, his philosophy is to just run up all kinds of debt that he has no intention of ever paying. All the exotic vacations, the box seats at various baseball stadiums, etc., I mean come on. If he can travel 6 times a year, he can sure as shit pay legal fees for as long as he wants

Not so. Peasant/rube Pat's trips aren't expensive. He has no income, no assets beyond a stained yellow tard beanie, wrecked motorcycle and salvage car.

Patrick S Tomlinson is a fat and shitty nigger with a herpes micropenis. Broke, too.

 

[JoeCumiawearsDIAPERS]

Ok

Not so. Peasant/rube Pat's trips aren't expensive. He has no income, no assets beyond a stained yellow tard beanie, wrecked motorcycle and salvage car.

Patrick S Tomlinson is a fat and shitty nigger with a herpes micropenis. Broke, too.

This is probably the case. You can get super cheap rates on flights and resorts in Central America. The fact that he's not taking a $10K+ trip tells you everything you need to know.

The devil is in the details because if they made legitimate money and had a modicum of fiscal responsibility, they'd be able to take extravagant trips. It's not hard to save tons of money when you're in your 40s and have no kids. Quite frankly, he should be talking about early retirement instead of questioning how people have $17K around to fight subpoenas.

 

[guest]

It's not hard to save tons of money when you're in your 40s and have no kids. Quite frankly, he should be talking about early retirement instead of questioning how people have $17K around to fight subpoenas.

But he's already enjoying early retirement, wage slave.

 

[Phish]

If you look at it as "we're giving this money to you so you can fight the trolls". But what if Pat really isn't driving this thing. What if the SFWA doesn't care about Pat and just wants us to go away and they're just using Pat and his situation as their in, without drawing undue attention. They might foot the bill in that case, if it's actually the SWFA coming at us through Pat instead of Pat coming at us with borrowed money from them. Pat gets all the credit for the "win" and none of the financial burden. He'd sign up for that in a fat minute.

Thats my thinking. Its actually the SFWA that wants to sue us but are using Pat. Vox Day told me through email when i was talking to him about the kiddie diddler problems in the SFWA and he told me JDA was a real ass dude and to talk with him, and that hes afraid he cant come out public with anything as the sfwa are notoriously litigious (and Vox already involved ina case worse than Pats going on pertaining to Owen Benjamin being kicking off Patreon). He said wed almost certainly be sued for whatever BS they could think of if we “investigated” their crimes against children. Im sure i have the emails saved. Maybe Vox called it.

 

[guest]

Thats my thinking. Its actually the SFWA that wants to sue us but are using Pat. Vox Day told me through email when i was talking to him about the kiddie diddler problems in the SFWA and he told me JDA was a real ass dude and to talk with him, and that hes afraid he cant come out public with anything as the sfwa are notoriously litigious (and Vox already involved ina case worse than Pats going on pertaining to Owen Benjamin being kicking off Patreon). He said wed almost certainly be sued for whatever BS they could think of if we “investigated” their crimes against children. Im sure i have the emails saved. Maybe Vox called it.

I hope this is true. And I hope the SFWA keeps using Patsy to fight a proxy war against us "basement dwelling incels." We need to bankrupt these creepy faggots.

 

[Phish]

I hope this is true. And I hope the SFWA keeps using Patsy to fight a proxy war against us "basement dwelling incels." We need to bankrupt these creepy faggots.

Vox also mentioned File770 is where he suspected they trade their “material” and thats exactly where Jda told us to investigate as well.