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Do you think Obamacare is the same as the NHS? It was watered down bullshit legislation.
No, I don't think it is the same as NHS, but it was obviously the first step to nationalized coverage. They sold it by claiming people's premiums would go down due to the amount of new enrollment, but ultimately most premiums drastically increased. And to your point of NHS working before mass importation; the US is currently being overwhelmed by people claiming 'refugee' status. You are welcome to your opinion that universal Healthcare is a good thing, but you'll never convince me that I or most Americans will benefit from it
 

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No, I don't think it is the same as NHS, but it was obviously the first step to nationalized coverage. They sold it by claiming people's premiums would go down due to the amount of new enrollment, but ultimately most premiums drastically increased. And to your point of NHS working before mass importation; the US is currently being overwhelmed by people claiming 'refugee' status. You are welcome to your opinion that universal Healthcare is a good thing, but you'll never convince me that I or most Americans will benefit from it
I'm in agreement that it only works with a strong border and immigration controls, but Ant wouldn't even support it if that was the situation, that's my point, really. He's always been this "fuck you, got mine" guy even though the only reason he's not a tin knocker is because of Brotherman. It's why leftists are retarded; they basically want no border, but also a welfare state with all the social services you can imagine. It's just something that cannot be done.
 

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I'm in agreement that it only works with a strong border and immigration controls, but Ant wouldn't even support it if that was the situation, that's my point, really. He's always been this "fuck you, got mine" guy even though the only reason he's not a tin knocker is because of Brotherman. It's why leftists are retarded; they basically want no border, but also a welfare state with all the social services you can imagine. It's just something that cannot be done.
That's fair. And I'll conceded that privatized Healthcare could be better if actuaries were allowed to assess plans with info like seeing the name Dontravious on the application
 

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That's fair. And I'll conceded that privatized Healthcare could be better if actuaries were allowed to assess plans with info like seeing the name Dontravious on the application
The NHS is a mess right now. I have a friend that almost got sepsis from his appendix bursting in late 2020, and he's said if it happened even a year later he'd have probably died. People are dying waiting for specialists.

Something interesting about the appendix bursting part; allegedly COVID causes from what I've read, just out of nowhere. Colbert had his appendix burst recently as well (lot of good the vaccines did him) and another celebrity had it happen too a few years ago and they specifically mentioned light-headedness/flu like feeling for a few weeks before. I think studies have been done saying it's something that COVID can just do for no reason.
 

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The NHS is a mess right now. I have a friend that almost got sepsis from his appendix bursting in late 2020,
Lol, the same thing happened to me the same year (are we friends?)

I went to the doctor with crazy pain and they told me it's likely a stomach virus because they couldn't detect the inflammation after I got scanned. Almost missed the birth of my first kid over that shit
 

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Lol, the same thing happened to me the same year (are we friends?)
My friend's married but doesn't have a kid so no, but yeah, I've read COVID can just cause appendicitis randomly. The celebrity that wasn't Colbert mentioned having to be given IV fluids on a plane trip, I wonder if they're told to downplay the seriousness of their issues to their audiences. Anti-vaxxers are usually crazy people but I think it's possible it causes this as much as the virus does. It's a roll of the dice. Chris Jericho was a big anti-vax guy, I think got cajoled by AEW into getting vaccinated, and gets a blood clot like right after. Triple H almost died from random heart problems. I get wrestlers already have heart problems due to the roids and everything else, but there's been like 5 wrestlers that have either almost died or died since 2020 that aren't very old. Bray Wyatt officially did die of COVID-related causes, and he was in his 30s.
 

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No, I don't think it is the same as NHS, but it was obviously the first step to nationalized coverage. They sold it by claiming people's premiums would go down due to the amount of new enrollment, but ultimately most premiums drastically increased. And to your point of NHS working before mass importation; the US is currently being overwhelmed by people claiming 'refugee' status. You are welcome to your opinion that universal Healthcare is a good thing, but you'll never convince me that I or most Americans will benefit from it

The UK is the size of one state, these people never appreciate that either.
 

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The UK is the size of one state, these people never appreciate that either.
Many states, such as let's say, 50 of them, with a well-run nationalized health service, can fund a bigger system that works for every state. What do you think Medicare is, if not just sort of this half-assed NHS for old people?

Of course, we'd never get that in this country for many reasons, including the immigration problem.
 

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Many states, such as let's say, 50 of them, with a well-run nationalized health service, can fund a bigger system that works for every state. What do you think Medicare is, if not just sort of this half-assed NHS for old people?

Of course, we'd never get that in this country for many reasons, including the immigration problem.

The NHS is free at the point of use and is dreadful when you need it, these people still pay for it and then get shit treatment if they need it, so they can pay for health tourists and welfare bums and migrants to get free healthcare. The NHS needs to get privatised more to serve people, but they just pretend it doesn’t and it’s going to miraculously become fit for purpose. It’s not.

I’d rather be in debt with a payment plan for cutting edge healthcare than die in a waiting que behind 300,000 jobless Pakistanis.

There needs to be a better way for both, I agree, I have no idea what it should look like, in my ignorant opinion Germany is great, it’s sort of a mixture of private insurance and state funded care. I worked there a bit and I had the distinct impression it was fantastic. This was 10 years ago or so, it’s probably different now Germany is the Middle East refugee (young men only) camp of Europe.
 

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Many states, such as let's say, 50 of them, with a well-run nationalized health service, can fund a bigger system that works for every state. What do you think Medicare is, if not just sort of this half-assed NHS for old people?

Of course, we'd never get that in this country for many reasons, including the immigration problem.
If we switch to single payer and nationally we end up paying less for premiums/deductibles than before, I'll be happy to eat crow. I just don't think that'll be the case,. I also think the quality of coverage will be lower than it even is now, since there's no real competition
 

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