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its really not that fucking hard i figured it out in the 5 days cloud(faggot)flare gave me to find a lawyer. Determine what the potential torts or crimes associated with whatever thing you want to sure for. Then just google that + "jury instructions" for the venue the court would be in. Obviously there's a lot more to it than that , but as a start you can see if there is anything even close to a cause of action.Yes to "gather evidence". He doesn't get how things work. He thinks if he convinces the police the chairs were stolen and a funster pretends to be the thief they've committed a crime. He isn't very bright. One truism we have is, when giving a choice, Pat will always make the wrong one.
Lets see , trespassing... hmm....
https://wilawlibrary.gov/jury/files/criminal/1437.pdf
Before you may find the defendant guilty of this offense, the State must prove by
evidence which satisfies you beyond a reasonable doubt that the following four elements
were present.
Elements of the Crime That the State Must Prove
1. The defendant intentionally (entered) (remained in) the dwelling of another.
"Dwelling" means a structure that is used or intended to be used as a home or
residence by one or more persons to the exclusion of all others [whether or not
currently occupied by a resident].3
2. The defendant (entered) (remained in) the dwelling without the consent4 of
someone lawfully upon the premises.
3. The defendant (entered) (remained in) the dwelling under circumstances tending
to create or provoke a breach of the peace.
It is not necessary that an actual breach of the peace occurred as a result of
defendant's conduct.
The term "breach of the peace" includes all violations of peace and order.5
[It may consist of an act of violence or an act likely to produce violence. It
may consist of profane and abusive language by one toward another.]
[It may consist of acts that put (name of victim) in fear of bodily harm or
otherwise disturb or disrupt the peace and sanctity of the home.]6
4. The defendant knew that (the entry into) (remaining in) the dwelling was without
consent and under circumstances tending to create or provoke a breach of the
peace and knew that it was the dwelling of another.7
So it doesn't come close to that. What about theft?
Before you may find the defendant guilty of this offense, the State must prove by evidence which satisfies you beyond a reasonable doubt that the following four elements were present.
Elements of the Crime That the State Must Prove
1. The defendant intentionally took and carried away movable property of another. The term “intentionally” means that the defendant must have had the mental
purpose to take and carry away property “Movable property” means property whose physical location can be changed.
2. The owner of the property did not consent to taking and carrying away the property.
3. The defendant knew that the owner did not consent.
4. The defendant intended to deprive the owner permanently of the possession of the
property.
So even if they knew it was a fake craiglist ad, if they were going to return it as a "just a kiwifarms prank bro" it wouldn't even count as theft due to the 4th requirement.
none of this is a surprise after 5 year, but he takes some capeshit folk notion of something and thinks it applies in real life. Usually if there's 3 or 4 things that must all be satisfied he thinks just one is enough. Fatso flunked out of logic 101 in wisconsin remedial college so of course he can't understand baby's first boolean operators.