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Pat attacking Leslie again, threatening legal action

quasi101

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TorquieTwoBeers said:
I love that even if Leslie is defaming (or libel-ing, I don't know/care which) Pat, what would the damages be?

There's no vocational damage since he'd have to prove that he's being blackballed in some way by Leslie's posts. If he showed a judge/jury the stupid Tiny Tim book, they would immediately know he's not getting a book deal on it because it sucks, not because he's being adversely affected by Leslie. Or they could just show his abysmal sales numbers for Tor, which would scare away any prospective publisher.

There's no emotional damage because he's constantly a raging dickhead to her on Twitter. Unless he wants to whine and cry like he tried in his initial LOLsuit about undue stress, which again is disproved by his attitude and provoking behavior on Twitter.

So even if he had a case, what money could he possibly receive?
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You dummies always forget per se defamation. Here let this totally reputable law firm explain it
https://archive.is/FrmFQ

Defamation per se, sometimes referred to as ‘libel per se’ or ‘slander per se’, refers to certain types of statements which are considered so inherently inflammatory and defamatory that a defamation plaintiff need not prove damages (or economic losses). The reason defamation per se exists is to ease the burden of actually having to prove damages when there’s clearly significant damage done.
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TorquieTwoBeers said:
lmao I always forget it because I'm too stupid and inexperienced with court stuff to have ever heard of it. The other day I said "pro se judge" instead of "judge pro tem". I don't know what I'm talking about.
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you know more than fatso, and he's been involved in court shit every day for years.

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RickReternal said:
So Mucci are you predicting Leslie will break Pat’s flawless string of legal defeats? That would be highly embarrassing for both her and this board.
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no i was just saying that they don't have to prove damages. There's still a million other roadblocks that he's have to pass. Wisconsin is a little easier due to no anti-slapp, but that just means she wouldn't get her legal fees back through that avenue. She's likely counter sue and she has an actual claim that way. All that means is rick only needs one less piece of evidence out of the hundreds he doesn't actually have.
 
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quasi101 said:
Venue issues, which is what the n-person (:ndbouqx:) judge asked brinto resto when brinton resto lied to a judge and said "there's no reason to think anyone is outside wisconsin" , are pretty complicated and depend on the state's laws. Big companies get arouns SLAPP laws by chosing to sue in states with little or no santi-slapp legislation. Since leslie likely does business in a lot of states she could be sued in several places. She also is now a limited public figure , so that might effect things. I didn't research anything regarding that as not only am I not a public person I spent thousands on a quash to not become public. His case against me was fucked in so many ways...

That's the most hilarious part of the suit against me is that even if he got my identity he'd have had to sue in wisconsin. By that time he would have had to create an entirely new lawsuit and sue me in the state (or country) I live in. He could have spent 150k in sfwa money, appealed, spent more money, some insanse decision reverse the quash, then he would only have gotten my cloudflare information which was maybe an IP address. He thought I used real information for cloudflare lol. Then he'd have to supeona my isp, and depending on the state or country i'm in he'd have fuck all. If, hypothetically he got my information from the isp, he'd then have to contend with a dozen counterlcaims to that he didn't go through the proper process. That being abuse of process or malicious procesuction by brinton lying to the judge. If somehow through all that, likely idnk 300k now in attorney costs and 304 years later he'd have my information. He's then need to file a new lawsuit, which would likely be time barred by statue of limitation anyway.

There's numerous laws for defamation about re-printing or just reposting the same thing wihtout modfying it. Its the time it was posted or said. This was ruled long ago regarding people trying to get around SoLs by suing when a new edition of a book came out or something.

I did a ton of research on the wisconsin venue laws and you need to have a significant presence there, own property regularly vacation there (lmao...) , do business etc. Or if the tort occurred in the state. Meaning you were just driving through and had a car accident, something like that. It's well established in wisconsin decisions that simply using the internet doesn't establish a presence in a state. There were actually cases literally about web forums that decided that internet message boards do not constitute enough for a venue in Wisconsin.


All that is to say the issue of venue is extremely important in the US do to the unique authority of states rights and the vast difference between how states handle free speech.

feed nana.
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Are you grateful in some ways that Tomlinson introduced you to a new hobby? You seem to have enjoyed learning about different facets of the law and how they're interpreted, etc.
 
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quasi101 said:
no i was just saying that they don't have to prove damages. There's still a million other roadblocks that he's have to pass. Wisconsin is a little easier due to no anti-slapp, but that just means she wouldn't get her legal fees back through that avenue. She's likely counter sue and she has an actual claim that way. All that means is rick only needs one less piece of evidence out of the hundreds he doesn't actually have.
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Sounds like, legally, he's a big fat person
 
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quasi101 said:
she's likely wrong about being a public figure in wisconsin based on the jury instructions for defamation. She's not considering the that she could be a "limited public figure".

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At least its determined by a judge , which means it could be tossed early on. However she fits that criteria by putting herself in the middle. Depends if her lawyer can argue fatso started it. I'd have to read more about it to see, but these seems like it doesn't matter
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He’s been all over the news. And he’s a 6 figure author who does book signings for hundreds of people plus a famous comedian in Milwaukee club circuit. He’s a public figure, I’m sorry you’re so stupid.
 
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quasi101 said:
Since leslie likely does business in a lot of states she could be sued in several places. She also is now a limited public figure , so that might effect things.
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I don't think so. Generally you have to sue where the cause of action took place or defendants jurisdiction. It only matters where she does business if he's suing for business related stuff (and even then then it would be where the cause of action occurs), or doing business in other states to a degree where she has offices there or something.

Pat was able to sue you in Wisconsin only because, I mean, where else could you possibly live?

Pat knows exactly where Leslie lives.

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I did a ton of research on the wisconsin venue laws and you need to have a significant presence there, own property regularly vacation there (lmao...) , do business etc. Or if the tort occurred in the state. Meaning you were just driving through and had a car accident, something like that. It's well established in wisconsin decisions that simply using the internet doesn't establish a presence in a state. There were actually cases literally about web forums that decided that internet message boards do not constitute enough for a venue in Wisconsin.
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Exactly. Pat can't sue her in Wisconsin courts for tweets, right? Tweets can't possibly establish enough of a Wisconsin connection, (I think).
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All that is to say the issue of venue is extremely important in the US do to the unique authority of states rights and the vast difference between how states handle free speech.
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A different state might also consider who is and who is not a public figure differently than WI re: defamation.
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feed nana.
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Pat's fat
 
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IGotATreeOnMyHouse85 said:
More legal threats
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Pat, speaking of lawyers - what has yours told you about your joke of a lawsuit against the MPD?
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How can someone who spends so much time in court have such a poor grasp of legal terms? He approaches the law like he does writing. Just dig deep in that vocabulary sack, toss out a few words you've heard but don't really understand and hope they stick.
My god he is a fat idiot.
 
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