I'm TempTed To shiT on Them, buT I won'T...

[guest]

It’s scary as shit to refi your fed loans when you’re talking about such a massive amount. I don’t blame anyone for staying fed who isn’t 100% sure about their income level and job security.


a person with fed loans can switch into an IBR plan if they hit a rough patch. All kinds of forbearance and deferment options and shit too.

Yes but doctors have pretty good job security and dependable income. As long as you aren’t criminally incompetent or a junkie or an actual criminal they’ll always be able to make enough money to cover it.

One of my wife’s friends got popped selling drugs on Silk Road a few years back and so now she has all that to deal with and she’s currently working at a coffee shop. Not sure why she hasn’t killed herself yet.

 

[Harry Powell]

If we did become a universal healthcare socialist government tax payer funded system - the highest salary you could ever reasonably expect to reach would be a fraction of what it is now. The debt and ridiculous tuition fees would almost certainly remain the same.

That makes the assumption that private healthcare goes away completely. Can’t ever see that happening in the USA. What I foresee happening is we expand public aid healthcare in such a way that we have a bunch of FQHC-type facilities all over the place existing alongside private offices.

this has its own problems - like bifurcating healthcare into one system for the rich and one for the poor - but that essentially already exists.

 

[NoBacon]

That makes the assumption that private healthcare goes away completely. Can’t ever see that happening in the USA. What I foresee happening is we expand public aid healthcare in such a way that we have a bunch of FQHC-type facilities all over the place existing alongside private offices.

this has its own problems - like bifurcating healthcare into one system for the rich and one for the poor - but that essentially already exists.

BILLIONAIRES NEED TO PAY MORE!

(some people believe this puerile nonsense lol)

 

[Harry Powell]

tbh could care less about billionaires. The issue I have is we talk about billionaires paying more but then it’s just cover to make the hundred-thousandaires pay more.

 

[NoBacon]

tbh could care less about billionaires. The issue I have is we talk about billionaires paying more but then it’s just cover to make the hundred-thousandaires pay more.

Don’t get me wrong I loathe these people and would love to see them face the guillotine or helicopter. It’s just the retardation of people who think they’re wealth being taxed would be any more than a drop in the bucket.

the same people who fall for their “charity foundations” and “giving pledges” when they’re, of course, just tax shelters to get even richer

 

[Harry Powell]

Don’t get me wrong I loathe these people and would love to see them face the guillotine or helicopter. It’s just the retardation of people who think they’re wealth being taxed would be any more than a drop in the bucket.

the same people who fall for their “charity foundations” and “giving pledges” when they’re, of course, just tax shelters to get even richer

I don’t even hate billionaires. What I don’t get is why we view money as this closed system where the existence of billionaires directly leads to people starving.

I don’t give a fuck what the upper limits of wealth that people can accumulate are. What I care about is how low our baseline is. I fail to see how the existence of billionaires is a threat to a healthy middle class. Maybe I’m just not educated enough, but I see billionaires as less than a rounding error when you look at our economy

 

[NoBacon]

I don’t even hate billionaires. What I don’t get is why we view money as this closed system where the existence of billionaires directly leads to people starving.

I don’t give a fuck what the upper limits of wealth that people can accumulate are. What I care about is how low our baseline is. I fail to see how the existence of billionaires is a threat to a healthy middle class. Maybe I’m just not educated enough, but I see billionaires as less than a rounding error when you look at our economy

Easy focal point to rally retards around I guess. There’s the obvious fact being working class in America is still being incredibly wealthy globally speaking. I can understand why people hate billionaires but I agree, they are irrelevant really. If you seized every last penny they had, in liquid cash and stocks - everything. It wouldn’t fund government spending for more than a few years at most. If that.

 

[guest]

*this is Porktrick Jowlinson- I use retard passwords and forget what it is on my phone and vice versa

"expecting others to pay your healthcare is a step away from them paying our food bill, or rent. "

As I said in my post- you're already paying for it. Two ibuprofens at a hospital bill are $25- everything is overcharged an insane degree for a reason. When people don't pay their bills, people who actually do pay their bills end up paying for those who don't. The difference between that and people paying through tax is that in our current system someone making $50k or $100k is paying the same as someone making $100m. How is that better than both paying equal parts of their income?

"the reason the wage is low there is it's an entry level shitty job"

So because Walmart wants to hire people for shitty jobs that means that taxpayers should be covering the difference? When a Walmart employee is making poverty wages and ends up on welfare that means that American tax dollars are subsidizing Walmart employees. Please tell me how that makes sense. You're arguing that a billion dollar company should be getting help from average people to pay their employees.

"How is it beneficial to high earners?"

Ah, yes, after decades of wealth inequality increasing the real thing to worry about is high earners. Newflash: unless you're making 8 figures, you're not really a high earner. You're paying extra for people making more money than you. What do you think about Trump paying $750 in taxes? Did you pay more or less than that?

In our tax system somebody making 50k is not paying the same as somebody making a 100m and saying that is foolish. You literally just ensured you disagree with a flat income tax system. Paying 37% on a 100M after you reach the top bracket at like 550K with a few exemptions and deductions is over 36M vs a guy making a 100K who never enters the 24% bracket after his deductions. Not to mention as you graduate brackets it goes up, so everybody pays lower on their first half million. Add to that a similar situation in state income tax, add to that naturally higher property taxes in bigger better houses, add to that the capital gains taxes on larger investments, that are actually the ones generating growth for all. You have a tween's understanding of taxes. The rich fund the whole system, the rich fund the entire economy, are you expecting Chicago niggers to do that? In your utopia, you want to drain the pockets of the wealthy to save the lesser money under the guise they have "enough". I genuinely disagree. Yes I'd rather have Musk or Bezos making shit happen with their money than unemployable niggers getting life saving surgery.

Wealth inequality exists, due to ability inequality, it plays out time and again when niggers millionaire athletes paid for their sportsball ability end up broke after their career. Your solution is to tax people more. If you think Trump paid $750 in taxes and that's the entirety of his contribution, you're an idiot. That's the net amount of federal income tax he paid. Newsflash, your wealth can't grow if you aren't paying something. Income is taxed along the way to you, your purchases are taxed, your property is taxed, you pay people who are taxed as well. Is our economy better off without companies employing people? Do you think Jeff Bezos contributes far more than id we spread a few extra billion in the ghettos we robbed from him? If not, you're an idiot. In our economy a college graduate can own a 3000 sq ft home, with every creature comfort, take two week long trips a year abroad, eat anything they want, own fancy cars, and survive cancer, all of that is tied to a standard of living based on growth, that is the byproduct of supply-side economics. Low taxes put money where it best serves the economy, in the hands of people that have a desire to grow it. The state broadswords redistributive policies that give poor useless niggers and spics money to by drugs and fast food. They don't even contribute sweat to the economy.

Lastly you offer no alternative to Walmart's low pay other than to suggest no skilled workers who arrived there do to poor planning get more money, because them being employed at low wages still requires them receiving some taxpayer money? So some is worse than all? They'd be getting more without a Walmart job if we raised Walmart wages, your scenario is playing out now, and we have labor shortages and skyrocketing debt from paying people to stay home? Shortages of key goods in supply streams, waits at dining establishments, all because we're paying out more government funds than before, your solution is to raise costs more, in an inflationary economy to address that? You're clearly a retard that has no income potential and thinks the gibs is owed to you.

 

[Harry Powell]

In our tax system somebody making 50k is not paying the same as somebody making a 100m and saying that is foolish. You literally just ensured you disagree with a flat income tax system. Paying 37% on a 100M after you reach the top bracket at like 550K with a few exemptions and deductions is over 36M vs a guy making a 100K who never enters the 24% bracket after his deductions. Not to mention as you graduate brackets it goes up, so everybody pays lower on their first half million. Add to that a similar situation in state income tax, add to that naturally higher property taxes in bigger better houses, add to that the capital gains taxes on larger investments, that are actually the ones generating growth for all. You have a tween's understanding of taxes. The rich fund the whole system, the rich fund the entire economy, are you expecting Chicago niggers to do that? In your utopia, you want to drain the pockets of the wealthy to save the lesser money under the guise they have "enough". I genuinely disagree. Yes I'd rather have Musk or Bezos making shit happen with their money than unemployable niggers getting life saving surgery.

Wealth inequality exists, due to ability inequality, it plays out time and again when niggers millionaire athletes paid for their sportsball ability end up broke after their career. Your solution is to tax people more. If you think Trump paid $750 in taxes and that's the entirety of his contribution, you're an idiot. That's the net amount of federal income tax he paid. Newsflash, your wealth can't grow if you aren't paying something. Income is taxed along the way to you, your purchases are taxed, your property is taxed, you pay people who are taxed as well. Is our economy better off without companies employing people? Do you think Jeff Bezos contributes far more than id we spread a few extra billion in the ghettos we robbed from him? If not, you're an idiot. In our economy a college graduate can own a 3000 sq ft home, with every creature comfort, take two week long trips a year abroad, eat anything they want, own fancy cars, and survive cancer, all of that is tied to a standard of living based on growth, that is the byproduct of supply-side economics. Low taxes put money where it best serves the economy, in the hands of people that have a desire to grow it. The state broadswords redistributive policies that give poor useless niggers and spics money to by drugs and fast food. They don't even contribute sweat to the economy.

Lastly you offer no alternative to Walmart's low pay other than to suggest no skilled workers who arrived there do to poor planning get more money, because them being employed at low wages still requires them receiving some taxpayer money? So some is worse than all? They'd be getting more without a Walmart job if we raised Walmart wages, your scenario is playing out now, and we have labor shortages and skyrocketing debt from paying people to stay home? Shortages of key goods in supply streams, waits at dining establishments, all because we're paying out more government funds than before, your solution is to raise costs more, in an inflationary economy to address that? You're clearly a retard that has no income potential and thinks the gibs is owed to you.

“I’ll be brief”

 

[guest]

“I’ll be brief”

In fairness to me, how else do I answer this idiot. There are literally people who think "fair share" means pay until you have misery like they do.

 

[guest]

Easy focal point to rally retards around I guess. There’s the obvious fact being working class in America is still being incredibly wealthy globally speaking. I can understand why people hate billionaires but I agree, they are irrelevant really. If you seized every last penny they had, in liquid cash and stocks - everything. It wouldn’t fund government spending for more than a few years at most. If that.

There was a time when we were so far ahead, but to be honest in the last 40 years we've let lots of shitty places get closer to our standards. My kid watches these youtubers in places other than the USA and some of them have very nice houses and that bothers me.

 

[Guyincognito]

“I’ll be brief”

It’s a complicated issue. He had 2 choices: 1- say you’re a dummy and move on or 2- what he actually said haha

 

[MonsterSteve]

If you are poor you get Medicaid and better insurance than people who DO pay. Shit, even Dental. I never got the argument that poor people with cancer have to pay for their cancer treatment. I say that as someone who got cancer after he lost his job 10 years ago and lost my insurance and I still got covered because there are a million programs that make sure you're not left hanging. No, I do not have cancer anymore, child.